Safe to fly? Indian pilots accused of faking credentials

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India is reviewing the licenses of all of the more than 4,000 pilots working there for "irregularities," a move that comes amid charges that more than a dozen pilots used falsified credentials for their jobs, the BBC reports.

The story, which traces back to a January flight incident, has been dramatically unfolding in recent weeks. The latest development came this morning when Indian aviation authorities revoked "the licenses of 15 commercial pilots for exaggerating their flying time during training," The Associated Press reports.

AP adds "police have arrested four pilots with fake aviation licenses in the past two weeks, leading to concerns about unqualified pilots endangering the lives of thousands of travelers. Opposition lawmakers have accused the government of failing to prevent corruption in licensing."

AFP writes "India's fake pilot scandal (first) began unraveling when a female captain landed her packed airliner on the nose instead of the rear wheels as she touched down in the holiday hotspot of Goa."

That pilot, Parminder Kaur Gulati, worked for rapidly expanding Indian discount carrier IndiGo. After being investigated for the Goa incident, she was fired and eventually arrested for flying with falsified qualifications. It turns out that the 38-year-old pilot had several similar incidents on her record, but they had been kept from airline regulators, according to the Toronto Star.

AFP says "the case set alarm bells ringing for passengers anxious about the idea of a semi-trained fraud being responsible for their lives, and for airline bosses, who have been hiring crew at a furious pace in recent years. It also cast a spotlight on a familiar problem in India, where corruption is widely seen as on the rise: most things, even qualifications for highly skilled jobs, can be bought at a price."

That's apparently not the only ongoing concern in Indian aviation.

The BBC reports there also "have been a series of scandals involving Indian airline pilots recently - even though the country has a relatively good safety record. Earlier this month authorities said that they were taking action against 57 pilots who had reported for duty drunk over the past two years."

To that, Reuters writes "when asked if the events meant India's airlines were not safe," E.K. Bharat Bhushan, India's director general of civil aviation, replied: "Not at all, all that is being exaggerated."

As for the current license probe, Bhushan tells Bloomberg News "every captain is being 'systematically' verified."

He tells Bloomberg his agency is beginning with captains and will then move to checks of co-pilots and other license-holders.

Bloomberg adds "the industry regulator is also planning to announce improvements in its policies and procedures in about 10 days' time, he said without elaborating."

Quelle: Safe to fly? Indian pilots accused of faking credentials - USATODAY.com
 
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Ein befreundeter (Berufs-)pilot erzählt auch regelmässig Horrorgeschichten aus dem indischen Luftraum und sagt selbst er kann jedem nur dringend abraten nach Indien zu fliegen. Und das, obwohl er im sonstigen Leben echt kein Angsthase ist. Gibt mir schon manchmal zu denken...
 

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wurde zT hier miterwähnt. Ist aber allen eher egal, bsoffenen Piloten checkt eh kein Pax, wenn der P die Türe zu lässt....
Und danke, die 2 weiteren links unten (1 und 2) sind auch nicht schlecht.:eek:

Ah, ja zu den Strafen für so was: have fun!
 
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Bin letztens mit Spicejet geflogen. Über die Piloten kann ich nix sagen (die Landebahn in Kathmandu haben sie getroffen...), jedoch fand ich die Flugbegleiter recht spannend. Ich habe es zum ersten Mal erlebt, dass Leute, die untauglich aussahen (Type First-Time-Flyer), vom Notausgang weggesetzt wurden und durch tauglicher aussehende ersetzt wurden. Dazu bekam jeder von denen auch eine persönliche Sicherheitsanweisung...
 

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OT: Ah, zurück. Hoffe, Du hast keine Apo gebraucht. OT Ende

Ich habe das auch einmal erlebt. In Japan, bei ANA, die wollten mich wegsetzen, weil ich ihnen aussah, als ob ich nicht gut genug japanisch könnte. Als ich ihnen "komm, ruhig bleiben, raus, weiter, los" auf jp sagte, waren sie zufrieden und ich konnte sitzenbleiben.
 
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Ich habe es zum ersten Mal erlebt, dass Leute, die untauglich aussahen (Type First-Time-Flyer), vom Notausgang weggesetzt wurden und durch tauglicher aussehende ersetzt wurden. Dazu bekam jeder von denen auch eine persönliche Sicherheitsanweisung...

Diese spezielle Einweisung ist mir kürzlich bei Air Asia das erste Mal aufgefallen. Müßte eine solche Einweisung nicht generell stattfinden? Oder findet sogar statt, nur so diskret, dass ich das bisher nie beobachtet habe?
 
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Diese spezielle Einweisung ist mir kürzlich bei Air Asia das erste Mal aufgefallen. Müßte eine solche Einweisung nicht generell stattfinden? Oder findet sogar statt, nur so diskret, dass ich das bisher nie beobachtet habe?

Bei Easyjet ist mir das auch mal aufgefallen. Gab sogar eine Ermahnung für die in der Exit Row, die die Safety Demo nicht mitgeschaut haben. Finde ich richtig so.
 

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Bin letztens mit Spicejet geflogen. Über die Piloten kann ich nix sagen (die Landebahn in Kathmandu haben sie getroffen...), jedoch fand ich die Flugbegleiter recht spannend. Ich habe es zum ersten Mal erlebt, dass Leute, die untauglich aussahen (Type First-Time-Flyer), vom Notausgang weggesetzt wurden und durch tauglicher aussehende ersetzt wurden. Dazu bekam jeder von denen auch eine persönliche Sicherheitsanweisung...

Artikel/ Interview/ Video dazu: Letzer Ausweg Notausstieg? – Ein Interview mit Tim van Beveren | Austrian Wings
 

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Bei Easyjet ist mir das auch mal aufgefallen. Gab sogar eine Ermahnung für die in der Exit Row, die die Safety Demo nicht mitgeschaut haben. Finde ich richtig so.

ist bei US AIRWAYS in der Regel auch so, man muss dann auch immer mit einem deutlichen "YES" bestätigen, dass man alles verstanden hat.
 

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Mein bestes Erlebnis in Indien war, dass die Crew probleme an der Sicherheitsschleuse hatte, weil die unbedingt diese volle Flasche Wiskey mitnehmen wollten. Selbstverständlich unterstelle ich mal dass die rote Nase vom Captain eine Erkältung war und es als Geschenk gedacht war.

Ich für meinen Teil war aber in dem Moment froh, dass ich nicht mit J*t Airways unterwegs war, sondern mit Lufthansa auf dem Heimweg!

Allerdings bin ich auch schon mehrfach (sogar schon mit einer Pilotin) mit Kingfisher geflogen. Bei meinen Kurzhüpfern auf Propeller steigen die vorher ja immer aus und ich sehe ganz gut, ob ich doch nicht mitfliegen will!
 

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Interessante Berichte bei pprune (2 von vielen hundert - dieses beiden haben aber einer sehr hohe Quote von Zstimmung für "well balanced" und "wenig polemisch" bekommen. Insofern poste ich die hier mal als wahrscheinlich dicht bei der Wahrheit:

Zeroth meinte:
Licence is one issue in India! The more pressing problem is that there are a small but significant number of commercial pilots who operate in India, legally licensed or not, who quite simply are not pilots – they cannot fly. There are First Officers and Captains who are sitting in the front of multi million pound jets and operate with their fingers crossed and a fly by number approach to the job – they have no skill.

In reality there is no minimum acceptable standard in India. Some so called pilots have reached their position in an airline through contacts or by bribing people in one way or another. The senior people who ‘arranged’ the job cannot afford the incompetent pilot to be found out for obvious reasons. Not just Indian nationals but expat pilots/managers of dubious background hired through agencies that may offer payments to those airline executives using their agency service

If an honest TRE/TRI/Check Pilot brings the abysmal performance of some of these so called pilots to the attention of the senior managers, then this TRE/TRI/Check Pilot may not be rostered with the individual again. (They may not be rostered with anyone again?) The so called pilot may well do a few flights with the senior manager, who could well have arranged the job in the first place or be under immense pressure from ‘above’, and so called pilot is likely to appear on line a few weeks later.

TRE’s in India continually report having to take control on landing, below 100ft, during initial line training because some 200 hour trainee pilots are allowed in the RHS of passenger jets with insufficient training and/or lack of basic competence.

It seems to be accepted in India that ‘basic’ flying training is often required during initial line training on jet transport aircraft, with passengers on board. It is often difficult to believe that these so called pilots have completed the required hours or tests for a CPL, let alone passed a type rating. The coming monsoon season will see many airlines in India operating flights with inexperienced Captains and low hour First officers. They may well be the very best, and mostly at least one pilot will be fully competent; but unfortunately the chances of having incompetent pilots paired together on the flight deck are increasing exponentially as some companies look to upgrade to Captain with minimum hours (1,500 total), continue to hire via dubious means whilst also often treating checking, including initial base training, as just another tick in box to be done and signed off at the behest of a powerful superior or as a returned favour.

India is where inexperienced junior first officers often refer to themselves as ‘Captain’ and some of those promoted to Captain, with around 2,000hrs, are in reality no more than a F/O with a LHS check: This does not affect the arrogance of a few who are happy to remain unconcerned as to how little they know or how very limited their skills are.

With so many pilots out of work in India surely it is time to hire based on competence rather than connections or the ability to work the system. Competence means having the skills to fly an aircraft, not just pass technical examinations that mostly have little relevance. This is not exclusively an Indian problem, but in India the effects of a corrupt system will be the greatest: Although the Middle East will run a close second as those Indian pilots (and others) with dubious qualifications/skills try their hardest to get a position overseas where they hope that they will not be found out. My commiserations to the majority of Indian professional pilots who have to endure the continual assault on their integrity due to a number of their colleagues, managers and regulators who are corrupt, unlicensed or incompetent and possibly all three.
Finally, I doubt if Indigo are the worst offenders so maybe a new thread is required?

TopTub meinte:
Zeroth: an excellent summary. Accurate, succinct & non biassed to the many professional pilots in India suffering at the hands of widespread utter corruption (criminal) negligence in standards, training & recruitment - both local & expat alike.

I would like to hear from the AI pilots. Was your line check or sim training form completed before even entering the cockpit or sim? How many patterns (eg NDB/VOR/VNAV,etc, etc approachs were ticked as being completed yet were never performed? The same for non-normals? How can (local) TRI's gain creditation yet unable to fly a raw data approach with a 15 KT x-wind in VMC?

Corrupt, corrupt, corrupt to the core. And yet what is more disgusting is those bearing witness to such practices will rant that it isn't true & that such facts are embellished. Do a review of replies by locals, or even operating procedures at AI and you'll find utter xenophobia. (Eg at AI an expat TRE/I will be made cruise relief to a local Capt of perhaps up to 20 years less experience, or expat FO of > 10,000 hrs put as cruise relief to local kid with 175-220 hrs TT).

Side note: I spoke up against pilots with 175-220 hrs going straight to widebody RHS. I was told they will not be permitted to t/o or land, ie "given flying" for their first 2 years (I think was the number?) & incapacitation drills including autoland is drilled into them. So a) they are not kept current on t/o's & landings, and b) I told them as such a crew consisting of such a very junior FO cannot be permitted to operate into BOM or when BOM is an alternate due a 3.3 deg glideslope prohibiting autoland. Answer? "It's none of your business!"

As written many times: I witnessed first hand such practices. I resigned over it. The DGCA, FAA, ICAO, Boeing & the media all know about it & also have blood on their hands.

For reasons well put by Zeroth, the liklihood of a crew composed of corruptly obtained licenses, (criminally) negligent training & standards, or despicable standards of CRM is overwhelming (goes for FA's as well). The odds are against you, the passenger, of a favorable outcome as opposed to carriers not subject to these same overwhelming, protected & inherent practices. You will NEVER see me or my own on a VT registered aircraft.

Fly on a VT reg at your own risk & peril. Good luck, you'll need it because you're not safe.
 
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