Frage zu Fare Rules von DUS über GRU nach FLN und zurück vom 18.3 bis 22.3

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aat81

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Hallo,

bin gerade dabei folgenden Flug über unser Reisebüro für eine Dienstreise buchen zu lassen:

1.1XXXXXXX/XXXXXMR
1. JJ 6017 U 18MAR DUS-FRA HK1 1740 1840
OPERATED BY LUFTHANSA CITYLINE FOR
2. JJ 8071 U 18MAR FRA-GRU HK1 2025 #0435
3. JJ 3415 U 19MAR GRU-FLN HK1 0745 0855
4. JJ 3184 U 22MAR FLN-GRU HK1 1355 1505
5. JJ 8250 U 22MAR GRU-FRA HK1 1845 #1015
OPERATED BY DEUTSCHE LUFTHANSA AG
6. LH 76 H 23MAR FRA-DUS HK1 1140 1230


die Farerules laut matrix für den (Rück-)flug sind unten zu finden

Ist da ne Umbuchung kostenfrei möglich? Kann sein, dass ich nen Tag eher fertig bin und dann würde ich das machen, aber da der Flug ja operated by LH ist, weiß ich nicht wie es sich da verhält und aus dem Text werde ich nicht recht schlauch, auch wenn mein Englisch gut ist, aber die Fare Rules lassen ja gerne mal das ein oder andere Verb usw weg.

Der Flug ist laut TAM Homepage nur in "Plus" buchbar und das ist Klasse U mit 100% meilen, aber laut Homepage von M&M gibt es auch Y/B als Buchungsklasse (welche ja normalerweise die Fullflex Klassen sind ohne Gebühr fürs umbuchen).

Zu den Fragen: Ist der Flug kostenfrei umbuchbar auf Mittwoch, falls ich fertig bin. Es gibt ja den Minimum Stay von 3 Tagen, den ich, meine ich, einhalte, da ich am Sonntag international abfliege und dann am Mittwoch ggf. zurückfliegen würde (also am 4ten Tag nach Abflug). Ist das so korrekt? Und wie sieht es mit Gebühren aus?

Dank euch Tarifspezies


TAM Linhas Aereas JJ ULG3FDE FLN — DUS
General notes

BASIC SEASON REGULAR EXCURSION 3RD LEVEL U
FARES
FOR ROUND TRIP FARES

Seasonal restrictions

ORIGINATING GERMANY -
PERMITTED 06JAN THROUGH 08DEC ON THE FIRST INTERNATIONAL
SECTOR.

Flight restrictions

THE FARE COMPONENT MUST INCLUDE TRAVEL BETWEEN BRAZIL AND
EUROPE BUT NOT ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
JJ FLIGHTS 8300 THROUGH 8325.
AND
IF THE FARE COMPONENT INCLUDES TRAVEL WITHIN BRAZIL
THEN THAT TRAVEL MUST BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY JJ FLIGHT.

Advanced reservation/ticketing restrictions

RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.

Minimum stay requirements

TRAVEL FROM LAST INTERNATIONAL STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO
EARLIER THAN 3 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE FIRST
INTERNATIONAL SECTOR.

Maximum stay requirements

TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER THAN 12
MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.

Stopover restrictions

3 STOPOVERS PERMITTED
LIMITED TO 1 FREE AND 2 AT EUR 75.00 EACH.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
NO STOPOVER OCCURS IF PASSENGER TAKES NEXT AVAILABLE
FLIGHT WITHIN 24 HOURS.

Transfer restrictions

ORIGINATING GERMANY -
6 FREE TRANSFERS PERMITTED ON THE PRICING UNIT - 3 IN
EACH DIRECTION
NONE PERMITTED IN MVD
2 PERMITTED FREE IN AREA 1 IN EACH DIRECTION
1 PERMITTED FREE IN AREA 2 IN EACH DIRECTION
FARE BREAK SURFACE SECTORS NOT PERMITTED AND EMBEDDED
SURFACE SECTORS PERMITTED ON THE FARE COMPONENT.

Combinability

ADD-ON CONSTRUCTION IS ADDRESSED IN MISCELLANEOUS
PROVISIONS - CATEGORY 23.
END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE
COMPONENTS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION.
SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER JJ/PZ
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS.
ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOTE -
WHEN FARES ARE COMBINED THE MOST RESTRICTIVE
CONDITIONS APPLY INCLUDING CANCELLATION/CHANGE
PENALTIES OR SERVICE CHARGES.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER JJ/PZ IN ANY
RULE IN TARIFF
FBRA12P - BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2 EXCEPT US/CA
IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
ATLANTIC
SAR2RPV - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
ATLANTIC.
END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED. VALIDATE ALL FARE
COMPONENTS. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION.
SIDE TRIPS PERMITTED WITH NO RESTRICTIONS.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE FOR CARRIER LY
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS
-TO FORM ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS.
ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS NOTE -
WHEN FARES ARE COMBINED THE MOST RESTRICTIVE
CONDITIONS APPLY INCLUDING CANCELLATION/CHANGE
PENALTIES OR SERVICE CHARGES.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY C-/I-/Y-/S-/M-/B-/Q- TYPE
FARES FOR CARRIER LY IN ANY RULE IN TARIFF
FBRA12P - BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2 EXCEPT US/CA
IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
ATLANTIC
SAR2RPV - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
ATLANTIC.

Surcharges

A SECURITY SURCHARGE OF USD 6.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE
ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.
NOTE -
TEXT NOT VALIDATED FOR AUTOPRICING. SURCHARGE WILL
BE APPLIED FOR ANY INTERNATIONAL PUBLISHED FARE.

Penalties

ORIGINATING GERMANY -
CANCELLATIONS
BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHARGE EUR 150.00 FOR NO-SHOW/REFUND.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
AFTER DEPARTURE
CHARGE EUR 150.00 FOR NO-SHOW/REFUND.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.
NOTE -
IF NO PORTION OF THE TICKET HAS BEEN USED VG THE
REFUND WILL BE AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE FARE PAID
LESS ANY APPLICABLE SERVICE CHARGES OR
CANCELLATION FEES.
IF A PORTION OF THE TICKET HAS BEEN USED VG THE
REFUND WILL BE AN AMOUNT EQUAL TO THE DIFFERENCE
BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE APPLICABLE FARE FOR
TRAVEL BETWEEN THE POINTS FOR WHICH THE TICKET HAS
BEEN USED LESS ANY APPLICABLE SERVICE CHARGES OR
CANCELLLATION FEES.
REFUND THE DIFERENCE BETWEEN THE FARE PAID AND THE
APPLICABLE FARE FOR THE JOURNEY TREVELED LESS
ABOVE PENALTY.
CHANGES
ANY TIME
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.

HIP exceptions

THE HIGHER INTERMEDIATE POINT RULE DOES NOT APPLY FOR
CONNECTIONS.

Endorsements

THE ORIGINAL TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - NONEND-REF/CHG
SUBJ TO FEE - IN THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.

Discounts

ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS
OR - INFANT -2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS
OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 75 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS
OR - UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 - CHARGE 100 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
NOTE -
UNCCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 NEED TRIP AUTHORIZATION
FORM. PLEASE CONTACT CARRIER FOR DETAILS.

Voluntary changes

ORIGINATING GERMANY -
IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT
VALIDITY
NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED
FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY AND
REPRICE
A. FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USE FARES IN EFFECT
WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
B. ALL OTHERS USE FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS OF FULLY FLOWN FARE
COMPONENTS
2. JJ FARES ARE USED
3. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
OR -
REPRICE
A. CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USE FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
B. ALL OTHERS USE CURRENTLY TKTD FARE
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST CHANGED
FARE COMPONENT
2. JJ FARES ARE USED
3. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL THEN
ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA ORIGINAL FORM OF PAYMENT
ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
OR -
BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT
VALIDITY
NO CHARGE FOR REVALIDATION OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS
APPLY AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS
ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE
MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS AND CONNECTIONS/FARE
BREAKS
2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW
TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC
3. JJ SAME FARE CLASS GOVERNED BY SAME RULE IS
USED
4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE
MET
5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL
THEN ADD-COLLECT
ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
OR -
AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT
VALIDITY
NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS
APPLY AND
REPRICE
A. FULLY FLOWN FARE COMPONENTS USE FARES IN
EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
B. ALL OTHERS USE FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE
MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS OF FULLY FLOWN
FARE COMPONENTS
2. JJ FARES ARE USED
3. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE
MET
4. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE
TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
OR -
REPRICE
A. CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS USE FARES IN EFFECT
TODAY
B. ALL OTHERS USE CURRENTLY TKTD FARE
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE
MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO FARE BREAKS UP TO THE FIRST
CHANGED FARE COMPONENT
2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER
POINT
3. JJ FARES ARE USED
4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE
MET
5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE
TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE REFUND RESIDUAL
THEN ADD-COLLECT - REFUND VIA ORIGINAL FORM OF
PAYMENT
ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.
OR -
AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT
VALIDITY
NO CHARGE FOR REVALIDATION OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS
APPLY AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS
ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE
MET-
1. NO CHANGE TO STOPOVERS AND CONNECTIONS/FARE
BREAKS
2. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW
TRAVEL MUST BE DOMESTIC
3. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER
POINT
4. JJ SAME FARE CLASS GOVERNED BY SAME RULE IS
USED
5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE
MET
6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE
TO DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
WHEN CHANGE RESULTS IN LOWER FARE IGNORE RESIDUAL
THEN ADD-COLLECT
ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW
ENDORSEMENTS.

Voluntary cancellations

REFER TO PENALTIES CATEGORY 16

Application

FARES BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
BETWEEN AREA 1 AND AREA 2.
CLASS OF SERVICE
THESE FARES APPLY FOR ECONOMY CLASS SERVICE.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
THIS RULE GOVERNS ONE-WAY AND ROUND-TRIP FARES.
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE
ONE-WAY/ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
SEATS ARE LIMITED
FOR FLIGHTS WITHIN BRAZIL ONLY ECONOMY CLASS OF
SERVICE IS AVAILABLE.
 
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FaCeOff

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Hi,

ich bin zwar nicht der Supermann in den Farerules aber paar Sachen kann ich dir trotzdem beantworten.
Die Buchungsklasse in deinem Fall ist U, das siehste auch relativ einfach am Anfangsbuchstaben der jeweiligen Fare "ULG3FDE"

Ansonsten sind folgende Sachen interessant bzw. eventuell relevant:


Penalties

ORIGINATING GERMANY -
CANCELLATIONS
BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHARGE EUR 150.00 FOR NO-SHOW/REFUND.
AFTER DEPARTURE
CHARGE EUR 150.00 FOR NO-SHOW/REFUND.


So wie ich das rauslese, fällt eine Gebühr von 150€ an, und zwar entweder vor dem Antreten oder während der Tripps.

ORIGINATING GERMANY -
IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT
VALIDITY
NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED
FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY AND
REPRICE


Solang der Tripp noch nicht angetreten wurde, kann man kostenfrei das Ticket ändern.
Der Passus "or highest fee of all changed fare components" ist mir nicht ganz klar, jedoch vermute ich dass wenn z.B. die Buchungsklasse
nicht verfügbar ist, dann automatisch Gebühren in Höhe X anfallen.
Ob das so richtig ist, weiß ich nicht genau bzw kann dir wohl nur jemand mit mehr Fachwissen sagen.
 

aat81

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Hi,

ich bin zwar nicht der Supermann in den Farerules aber paar Sachen kann ich dir trotzdem beantworten.
Die Buchungsklasse in deinem Fall ist U, das siehste auch relativ einfach am Anfangsbuchstaben der jeweiligen Fare "ULG3FDE"

Ansonsten sind folgende Sachen interessant bzw. eventuell relevant:


Penalties

ORIGINATING GERMANY -
CANCELLATIONS
BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHARGE EUR 150.00 FOR NO-SHOW/REFUND.
AFTER DEPARTURE
CHARGE EUR 150.00 FOR NO-SHOW/REFUND.

Das verstehe ich eher so, wenn ich es zurückgeben will, also garnicht fliege, oder?

ORIGINATING GERMANY -
IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT
VALIDITY
NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL CHANGED
FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS APPLY AND
REPRICE

das gilt ja vor Ablfug, aber das hier

AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY - APPLIES WITHIN TKT
VALIDITY
NO CHARGE FOR REISSUE OR HIGHEST FEE OF ALL
CHANGED FARE COMPONENTS - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNTS
APPLY AND
REPRICE

das sagt doch dasselbe, oder? Umbuchen kostet nix, solange Klasse U verfügbar ist, oder?
 

Peter

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Deine Antowrten...

Hallo...bin gerade dabei folgenden Flug über unser Reisebüro für eine Dienstreise buchen zu lassen...Dank euch Tarifspezies

1. Mal Eurem GF Bescheid geben, dass Ihr ein neues Reisebuero braucht ;-)

2. Zu den Fragen:

a) Ist der Flug kostenfrei umbuchbar auf Mittwoch, falls ich fertig bin: JA

CHANGES
ANY TIME
CHANGES PERMITTED FOR REISSUE/REVALIDATION.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
WAIVED FOR DEATH OF PASSENGER OR FAMILY MEMBER.

b) Es gibt ja den Minimum Stay von 3 Tagen, den ich, meine ich, einhalte, da ich am Sonntag international abfliege
und dann am Mittwoch ggf. zurückfliegen würde (also am 4ten Tag nach Abflug). Ist das so korrekt? JA

c) Und wie sieht es mit Gebühren aus? Keine Umbuchungsgebühr, bei Umbuchung in gleicher Buchungsklasse (U). Ansonsten Aufzahlung.

Gute Reise!

P.S.
Steht unter Euren Reservierungen nicht so etwas wie:

"Sehr geehrter Herr XY, tickeptreis X.XXX Euro Economy Class Sondetarif: nicht erstattbar, kostenfrei umbuchbar in gleicher Buchungsklasse (oder eben umbuchbar gegen 150 Euro in gleicher Buchungsklasse). Vorausbuchungsfrist 14 Tage. Minimumstay 3 Tage - oder Nacht von Samstag auf Sonntag. ticketing spaet morgen, 15.03.2012. Vor Ticketing sind alle Preise/ Steuern vorbehaltlich
Änderung durch die Airline. Für Rückfragen stehen wir gern zur Verfügung, mit freundlichen Gruessen Alexia Ticketingmaus ;-)

P.S. Der günstigste erstattbare Tarif (Erstattungsgebürh 150 Euro) kostet X.XXX Euro."
 
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aat81

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Hallo Peter,

danke für deine Antwort.

Zu deinen Fragen

1. Ich bin eigentlich immer zufrieden mit dem Reisebüro und suche mir meine Flüge eh selbst raus, um nicht mit langem Aufenthalt an irgendwelchen Flughäfen rumzusitzen.

2a+b+c) Danke hatte ich auch so verstanden

U ist sowohl für Donnerstag als auch Mittwoch noch mit mindestens 9 lt. flightstats verfügbar. Auch morgen und übermorgen noch. Sieht also so aus, als hätte U kaum vorausbuchfrist und ist lange offen.

3) Manchmal steht das drunter, aber da ich meist eh die Buchungsklassen vorgeben schreibt sie das meist nicht. Minimumstay war glaub ich noch nie drunter, könnte ich ihr aber sagen, dann könnte sie mir die Farerules immer passennd zuschicken.

Hier ist halt der Unterschied zwischen U und B/Y 1000 Euro, macht 50% mehr, deswegen lohnt das nicht, würde ich sagen.

Dank dir Peter