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The Zurich request was not mine @Batman :)

I did however find 2 mistakes in my initial request that I uncovered yesterday while researching old timetables to find flight times.

1997-12-29 DL0140 JFK-BRU B767 1906 0825 kenadams (I initially reported this as SN0548 operated by A340, but SN0548 was a codeshare flight actually op by DL as DL140)
1997-12-15 DL0141 BRU-JFK B767 1100 1315 kenadams (I had initially reported this as SN0165 flown by B747, but that flight number did not exist. Based on the timing of the connecting flight, it must have been SN0541, which was operated by Delta 767 as DL141).

The LHR-LGW website recorded DL140 and DL141 many times in January 1998, but the archive doesn't include 1997. I'm hopeful some other ACARS station captured and stored these flights back then.
 
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and got two more but now I'm slowly running out of ideas

found 2006-11-01 VY1123 SVQ-BCN 0900 1035 A320 kenadams EC-JSY
VLG1122 \EC-JSY\tSpain\t07:51:17
S. ACARS Eastern Spain

found 2006-10-31 FR9341 PSA-SVQ 1735 2025 B738 kenadams EI-DAI
RYR9342 \EI-DAI\tIreland\t21:46:58
S. ACARS Eastern Spain / Should be the return

2006-06-09 BY5343 BOH-AMS 1915 2130 A320 kenadams
Are you sure about the aircraft? For Thomsonfly I only found Boeings.
 

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and got two more but now I'm slowly running out of ideas

found 2006-11-01 VY1123 SVQ-BCN 0900 1035 A320 kenadams EC-JSY
VLG1122 \EC-JSY\tSpain\t07:51:17
S. ACARS Eastern Spain

found 2006-10-31 FR9341 PSA-SVQ 1735 2025 B738 kenadams EI-DAI
RYR9342 \EI-DAI\tIreland\t21:46:58
S. ACARS Eastern Spain / Should be the return

2006-06-09 BY5343 BOH-AMS 1915 2130 A320 kenadams
Are you sure about the aircraft? For Thomsonfly I only found Boeings.
I changed this to B733 yesterday. I was researching it because I was not 100% sure. I have discovered that in 2005 and 2006 Thomsonfly only had two aircraft based in BOH: they were two 737-300. There is a lot of information about those flights on pprune and other forums, but I could not find anything out which 737s were based at BOH at the time of the flight.

found 2006-11-01 VY1123 SVQ-BCN 0900 1035 A320 kenadams EC-JSY
VLG1122 \EC-JSY\tSpain\t07:51:17
S. ACARS Eastern Spain

found 2006-10-31 FR9341 PSA-SVQ 1735 2025 B738 kenadams EI-DAI
RYR9342 \EI-DAI\tIreland\t21:46:58
S. ACARS Eastern Spain / Should be the return

This is wonderful. I never thought I could discover that Vueling reg.

slowly running out of ideas
You have been very helpful. Your ideas are very appreciated.
 

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I changed this to B733 yesterday. I was researching it because I was not 100% sure. I have discovered that in 2005 and 2006 Thomsonfly only had two aircraft based in BOH: they were two 737-300. There is a lot of information about those flights on pprune and other forums, but I could not find anything out which 737s were based at BOH at the time of the flight.
OIC, I copied all request to a txt and so I worked with an older version 😊
 
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I changed this to B733 yesterday. ...
Please don't edit / change old post (except sticky ones by the forum admins) ... as we will not follow these..
OIC, I copied all request to a txt and so I worked with an older version 😊
same here... I copy the entries from the original posts (and merge them once a month into the top of the thread)...
and any modification will not be followed / recognized unless you post it explicitly.

Thanks for your proactive co-searching, very welcome. but please help us / the thread to stay on top of your findings.
 
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MUCAirport meinte:
...hui, noch ein paar mehr, aber dann schauen wir doch gleich, auch diese Lücken zu schließen! ...
found 2004-07-30 LH5635 FLR MUC kenadams D-AVRE #6287
found 2005-02-14 LH4074 MUC FLR kenadams D-AVRH #6287
found 2005-12-09 LH3458 MUC BUD 1310 1425 kenadams D-ACRA #6287
found 2005-12-09 LH4071 FLR MUC 1105 1230 kenadams I-ADJF #6287
found 2005-12-11 LH3457 BUD MUC 1300 1420 kenadams D-AVRO #6287
found 2005-12-26 LH3559 VIE MUC 1705 1810 kenadams D-ACPL #6287
found 2005-12-26 LH4078 MUC FLR 1935 2055 kenadams I-ADJF #6287
found 2005-12-30 LH3460 MUC BUD 1505 1620 kenadams D-AIRB #6287
found 2005-12-30 LH4075 FLR MUC 1255 1420 kenadams I-ADJF #6287
found 2006-01-29 LH3453 BUD MUC 0850 1010 kenadams D-ACLU #6287
found 2006-01-29 LH4074 MUC FLR 1100 1220 kenadams I-ADJG #682
found 2006-05-24 LH4044 MUC PSA kenadams I-ADLM #6287
found 2006-12-29 LH4070 MUC FLR kenadams D-ADHE #6287
found 2007-03-23 LH4075 FLR MUC 1700 1825 kenadams D-ADHD #6287
found 2007-03-28 LH4108 MUC FLR 0640 0815 kenadams I-ADLN #6287
found 2007-04-06 LH4071 FLR MUC 1250 1415 kenadams D-ADHA #6287
 

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found 2004-07-30 LH5635 FLR MUC kenadams D-AVRE #6287
found 2005-02-14 LH4074 MUC FLR kenadams D-AVRH #6287
found 2005-12-09 LH3458 MUC BUD 1310 1425 kenadams D-ACRA #6287
found 2005-12-09 LH4071 FLR MUC 1105 1230 kenadams I-ADJF #6287
found 2005-12-11 LH3457 BUD MUC 1300 1420 kenadams D-AVRO #6287
found 2005-12-26 LH3559 VIE MUC 1705 1810 kenadams D-ACPL #6287
found 2005-12-26 LH4078 MUC FLR 1935 2055 kenadams I-ADJF #6287
found 2005-12-30 LH3460 MUC BUD 1505 1620 kenadams D-AIRB #6287
found 2005-12-30 LH4075 FLR MUC 1255 1420 kenadams I-ADJF #6287
found 2006-01-29 LH3453 BUD MUC 0850 1010 kenadams D-ACLU #6287
found 2006-01-29 LH4074 MUC FLR 1100 1220 kenadams I-ADJG #682
found 2006-05-24 LH4044 MUC PSA kenadams I-ADLM #6287
found 2006-12-29 LH4070 MUC FLR kenadams D-ADHE #6287
found 2007-03-23 LH4075 FLR MUC 1700 1825 kenadams D-ADHD #6287
found 2007-03-28 LH4108 MUC FLR 0640 0815 kenadams I-ADLN #6287
found 2007-04-06 LH4071 FLR MUC 1250 1415 kenadams D-ADHA #6287

First of all, a massive THANK YOU for this. It's fantastic. Incredible.

My only doubts are regarding these two flights below.

found 2006-01-29 LH3453 BUD MUC 0850 1010 kenadams D-ACLU #6287

Acarsd.org also reported D-ACLU, but I ruled it out initially because I am reasonably certain the flight was operated by an ARJ85. I trusted myself over acarsd.org because there are many callsign-related problems in that database (especially in that period), but if your source is more authoritative (MUC airport?), then I would have to trust the source over my memory and what I wrote down in Flugstatistik at the time.

found 2005-12-30 LH3460 MUC BUD 1505 1620 kenadams D-AIRB #6287

This is also slightly inconsistent. I don't remember a Eurowings CRJ to mainline A321 ever, but it's entirely possible (confirmation email and timetable do indicate Eurowings CRJ as the operating carrier).
 
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Acarsd.org also reported D-ACLU, but I ruled it out initially because I am reasonably certain the flight was operated by an ARJ85. I trusted myself over acarsd.org because there are many callsign-related problems in that database (especially in that period), but if your source is more authoritative (MUC airport?), then I would have to trust the source over my memory and what I wrote down in Flugstatistik at the time.

I can dismiss this concern myself. The data you have provided and the one in acarsd.org is 100% correct.

I was able to locate the an LH timetable of that month on http://www.lhtimetable.com/LH.pdf (via wayback machine), and it states that the service was operated by a CRJ1. So D-ACLU is correct beyond any reasonable doubt.
 
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The Zurich request was not mine @Batman :)

I did however find 2 mistakes in my initial request that I uncovered yesterday while researching old timetables to find flight times.

1997-12-29 DL0140 JFK-BRU B767 1906 0825 kenadams (I initially reported this as SN0548 operated by A340, but SN0548 was a codeshare flight actually op by DL as DL140)
1997-12-15 DL0141 BRU-JFK B767 1100 1315 kenadams (I had initially reported this as SN0165 flown by B747, but that flight number did not exist. Based on the timing of the connecting flight, it must have been SN0541, which was operated by Delta 767 as DL141).

The LHR-LGW website recorded DL140 and DL141 many times in January 1998, but the archive doesn't include 1997. I'm hopeful some other ACARS station captured and stored these flights back then.
You are right based on timetable DL 12/1997 and Sabena timetable eff 27.10.1997

SN0541 = DL0141 BRU-JFK
SN0548 = DL0140 JFK-BRU

SN0547 = DL2737 BRU-JFK
SN0542 = DL2736 JFK-BRU



If the same applies for 06/1997 then

1997-06-25 SN0541 BRU-JFK B743 kenadams
DL flight was the following: DL0141 1130 1320
If so then the reg was N754DL
 
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You are right based on timetable DL 12/1997 and Sabena timetable eff 27.10.1997

SN0541 = DL0141 BRU-JFK
SN0548 = DL0140 JFK-BRU

SN0547 = DL2737 BRU-JFK
SN0542 = DL2736 JFK-BRU



If the same applies for 06/1997 then

1997-06-25 SN0541 BRU-JFK B743 kenadams
DL flight was the following: DL0141 1130 1320
If so then the reg was N754DL

I am quite sure that the summer schedule was different. I am still trying to locate a timetable, but I am certain that 1997-06-25 SN0541 BRU-JFK B743 was indeed operated by a 747-300.
-- I remember that I flew a roundtrip on Sabena 747s in 1997.
-- My seat on that 1997-06-25 flight was 25H (source: boarding pass stub) and I don't believe DL 767s ever had a seat "H". The Sabena 747s did.
-- The Delta timetable of September 1997 (found here), shows DL0141 being effective Sep. 29. I'm sure the flight had already existed, but I don't think it was codeshared as SN0541 in the summer schedule. From many sources on the web I have confirmed that Sabena and Delta made frequent capacity adjustments in 1997 and 1998 to accommodate different demand (summer/winter) and to phase in SN's new A340s. In fact, one flight in my history that I had already found the reg for elsewhere is 1998-10-13 SN0548 JFK-BRU A342 OO-SCX.
 

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I am quite sure that the summer schedule was different. I am still trying to locate a timetable, but I am certain that 1997-06-25 SN0541 BRU-JFK B743 was indeed operated by a 747-300.
-- I remember that I flew a roundtrip on Sabena 747s in 1997.
-- My seat on that 1997-06-25 flight was 25H (source: boarding pass stub) and I don't believe DL 767s ever had a seat "H". The Sabena 747s did.
-- The Delta timetable of September 1997 (found here), shows DL0141 being effective Sep. 29. I'm sure the flight had already existed, but I don't think it was codeshared as SN0541 in the summer schedule. From many sources on the web I have confirmed that Sabena and Delta made frequent capacity adjustments in 1997 and 1998 to accommodate different demand (summer/winter) and to phase in SN's new A340s. In fact, one flight in my history that I had already found the reg for elsewhere is 1998-10-13 SN0548 JFK-BRU A342 OO-SCX.
N754DL was a L-1011 and the seatmap shows a seat "H"

l1011.png

Maybe the timetable 06/1997 will help

delta 061997.png


Maybe someone in this forum can help you with the BRU flights. Noticed that there still old cases can be solved.

 
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Thank you @SaschaX99

This is all very helpful. I don't recall ever flying a Delta L-1011 (I was an avgeek already in 1997 when I was 18 and I kept some written notes. I would have LOVED to fly a 1011 transatlantic as I had only ever done it on US domestic itineraries with TWA). I will do some research in my own old records: perhaps I transcribed a flight number incorrectly. Once I have ruled out any inaccuracies in my data I will seek more help on that other forum (great tip!).
 

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My only doubts are regarding these two flights below.
...but if your source is more authoritative (MUC airport?), then I would have to trust the source over my memory and what I wrote down in Flugstatistik at the time.

found 2005-12-30 LH3460 MUC BUD 1505 1620 kenadams D-AIRB #6287

This is also slightly inconsistent. I don't remember a Eurowings CRJ to mainline A321 ever, but it's entirely possible (confirmation email and timetable do indicate Eurowings CRJ as the operating carrier).
my source is "authoritive" enough
but even there mistakes may happen, if only by the transfer from 4-5 different sources.
your search request - my master file - an email to airport - airport to lookup DB - DB query result - copy back to email - email to master file - master file to "result post in forum"

-> checked the communication and can share you this screenshot (from my email received)
muc_snippet.jpg
I don't know why my contact posted the screenshot for this flight, but it provides sufficent evidence.
to the minimal remaining (theoretical) doubt of "MUC's database statistic holds wrong data."
 
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Yep, if the source is MUC airport, I will happily trust it over old timetables and an email confirmation from Expedia.

Thank you!
 

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here's the full snippet of the email received... happy to share for cross-checks.
muc_snippet2.jpg
there's a reasonable human factor of doubt & mistake in all of our activities.
Sascha and I and others caught each other several times.

...so feel free to question the source...
...try cross-checks, etc...
 

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Thank you @bursche99

I actually wasn't worried about clerical errors: those are normal and it's not like a flight history is the most important thing in the world.
I was just curious because many ACARS logs surrounding LH short haul are unreliable due to flight number to call sign mismatch in databases. Now that I know the source is MUC for all those records, I definitely don't need to question it. I'm a very happy person :)
 
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Hey,
ich bin auf der Suche nach einer Registration bzw. Typ.
es geht um EW8041 vom 01.07.23.

Vielen Dank schon mal im Voraus.
Gruß Aah91