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[Saltagigi]

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@Saltagigi Thank you a lot for this search and finding! I will add the OH-LGC for this flight based on this so it is solid enough for me. Also I started to wonder if I could figure out the other MD11 flight about the same time with same approach. How far back the ACARS logs you used here go and where those collected from Europe? I mean all these where also with Finnair MD-11 back then, so 7 possible planes.

So i used the acarsd.org logs (https://web.archive.org/web/20150706113337/http://www.acarsd.org/world_ACARS_reports/) and they go back to January 2006.
These are logs from all over the world in theory, but there are much fewer logs from Asia, let alone Africa. I think i found some entries from Japan for your flights.
I will add a caution that especially in the early years there are quite a few errors in there, for example I found a Finnair MD-11 flight from HAM to HEL, but that one was logged somewhere around the US East Coast and the time made sense for the JFK flight. So sometimes it's a bit of work to make sense of the logs, but i hope you will find something.

 

[SaschaX99]

@Saltagigi Thank you a lot for this search and finding! I will add the OH-LGC for this flight based on this so it is solid enough for me. Also I started to wonder if I could figure out the other MD11 flight about the same time with same approach. How far back the ACARS logs you used here go and where those collected from Europe? I mean all these where also with Finnair MD-11 back then, so 7 possible planes.

2006-08-05 AY0097 HEL BKK 23:35 13:40 Sinensis
2006-08-11 AY0098 BKK HEL 0:20 6:45 Sinensis
2007-02-05 AY0098 BKK HEL 0:50 6:40 Sinensis
2007-05-21 AY0087 HEL CAN 16:55 7:25 Sinensis

To make it a bit easier for you please find the Acars logs for the dates of your flights.

OH-LGA	MD11	AY	152​	20060804​	AY0006	JFK-HEL	[Near CYYZ, and CYHM]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	211​	20060804​	AY0000		[Philadelphia]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	345​	20060804​	AY0006	JFK-HEL	[Goose Bay, Canada]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	2031​	20060804​	AY0005	HEL-JFK	[Saint-Georges,QC,CA, 100km SE YQB]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	105​	20060805​	AY0000		[nyc]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	150​	20060805​	AY0006	JFK-HEL	[Saint-Georges,QC,CA, 100km SE YQB]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	411​	20060805​	AY0000		[Osaka Japan.34.47N-135.25E]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	420​	20060805​	AY0078	KIX-HEL	[Osaka Japan.34.47N-135.25E]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	2129​	20060805​	AY0005	HEL-JFK	[Philadelphia]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	2134​	20060805​	AY0000		[Philadelphia]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	54​	20060806​	AY0079	HEL-NGO	[somewhere]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	939​	20060806​	AY8921	EDDH-EFHK	[Goose Bay, Canada]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	2215​	20060806​	AY0005	HEL-JFK	[Philadelphia]

OH-LGA	MD11	AY	516​	20060810​	AY0000		[Porvoo, Finland]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	1735​	20060812​	AY0000		[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	1748​	20060812​	AY0051	HEL-PEK	[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	454​	20060810​	AY0078	KIX-HEL	[somewhere]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	1349​	20060810​	AY0000		[Porvoo, Finland]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	106​	20060810​	AY0006	JFK-HEL	[Saint-Georges,QC,CA, 100km SE YQB]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	112​	20060810​	AY0000		[Saint-Georges,QC,CA, 100km SE YQB]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	206​	20060810​	AY0006	JFK-HEL	[Goose Bay, Canada]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	2239​	20060810​	AY0005	HEL-JFK	[Goose Bay, Canada]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	738​	20060811​	AY0006	JFK-HEL	[Saint-Georges,QC,CA, 100km SE YQB]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	1727​	20060811​	AY0000		[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	1736​	20060811​	AY0051	HEL-PEK	[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	2256​	20060812​	AY0000		[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	1312​	20060810​	AY0052	PEK-HEL	[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	1326​	20060810​	AY0000		[Porvoo, Finland]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	1650​	20060810​	AY0087	HEL-CAN	[Porvoo, Finland]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	1343​	20060811​	AY0088	CAN-HEL	[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	1711​	20060812​	AY0067	HEL-HKG	[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	1711​	20060812​	AY0000		[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGE	MD11	AY	1653​	20060811​	AY0000		[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGE	MD11	AY	439​	20060812​	AY0078	KIX-HEL	[somewhere]
OH-LGE	MD11	AY	1631​	20060812​	AY0000		[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	1305​	20060810​	AY0080	NGO-HEL	[Porvoo, Finland]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	1339​	20060810​	AY0000		[Porvoo, Finland]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	1211​	20060811​	AY0052	PEK-HEL	[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	2046​	20060811​	AY0005	HEL-JFK	[Goose Bay, Canada]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	327​	20060812​	AY0006	JFK-HEL	[Goose Bay, Canada]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	1941​	20060812​	AY0005	HEL-JFK	[Goose Bay, Canada]
OH-LGG	MD11	AY	1306​	20060810​	AY0068	HKG-HEL	[Porvoo, Finland]
OH-LGG	MD11	AY	1628​	20060810​	AY0000		[Porvoo, Finland]
OH-LGG	MD11	AY	1628​	20060811​	AY0000		[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]
OH-LGG	MD11	AY	1324​	20060812​	AY0088	CAN-HEL	[Lappeenranta, FINLAND]

OH-LGA	MD11	AY	53​	20070206​	AY0000		[Philadelphia]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	103​	20070206​	AY0006	JFK-HEL	[Phoenixville, Pa]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	1700​	20070206​	AY0000		[Tampere, Finland]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	154​	20070205​	AY0077	HEL-KIX	[Osaka Japan.]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	408​	20070205​	AY0000		[Osaka Japan.]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	420​	20070205​	AY0078	KIX-HEL	[Osaka Japan.]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	410​	20070206​	AY0080	NGO-HEL	[Osaka Japan.]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	104​	20070204​	AY0079	HEL-NGO	[somewhere]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	423​	20070204​	AY0080	NGO-HEL	[Narita-(NRT)-Japan]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	1700​	20070206​	AY0000		[Tampere, Finland]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	1330​	20070204​	AY0052	PEK-HEL	[Tampere, FInland]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	2010​	20070204​	AY0095	HEL-BKK	[Tampere, FInland]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	1721​	20070205​	AY0096	BKK-HEL	[Tampere, FInland]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	2307​	20070205​	AY0091	HEL-BKK-HKG	[Tampere, FInland]
OH-LGE	MD11	AY	1925​	20070204​	AY0005	EFHF-JFK	[Goose Bay, Canada]
OH-LGE	MD11	AY	127​	20070205​	AY0000		[Philadelphia]

OH-LGA	MD11	AY	1324​	20070520​	AY0005	HEL-JFK	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	1415​	20070521​	AY0000		[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	745​	20070522​	AY0000		[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGA	MD11	AY	1353​	20070522​	AY0005	HEL-JFK	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	2022​	20070520​	AY0000		[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	1702​	20070521​	AY0096		[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGB	MD11	AY	1655​	20070522​	AY0096	VTBS-EFHK	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	106​	20070520​	AY0079		[Osaka Japan.]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	434​	20070520​	AY0080	NGO-HEL	[somewhere]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	1926​	20070521​	AY0000		[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGC	MD11	AY	1341​	20070522​	AY0052	PEK-HEL	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	55​	20070520​	AY0006	JFK-HEL	[S. New England - USA]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	1913​	20070520​	AY0077	HEL-KIX	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	347​	20070521​	AY0000		[Osaka Japan.]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	553​	20070521​	AY0078	KIX-HEL	[Osaka Japan.]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	1652​	20070521​	AY0079	HEL-NGO	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	120​	20070522​	AY0079	HEL-NGO	[Osaka Japan.]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	413​	20070522​	AY0000		[Osaka Japan.]
OH-LGD	MD11	AY	526​	20070522​	AY0080	NGO-HEL	[somewhere]
OH-LGE	MD11	AY	537​	20070520​	AY0000		[BEIJING]
OH-LGE	MD11	AY	115​	20070521​	AY0057	HEL-PVG	[shanghai]
OH-LGE	MD11	AY	1324​	20070521​	AY0058	PVG-HEL	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGE	MD11	AY	550​	20070522​	AY0022	DEL-HEL	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGE	MD11	AY	1324​	20070522​	AY0000		[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	107​	20070520​	AY0067	HEL-HKG	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	1613​	20070520​	AY0000		[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	1618​	20070521​	AY0068	HKG-HEL	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	1803​	20070521​	AY0000		[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGF	MD11	AY	1658​	20070522​	AY0000		[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGG	MD11	AY	436​	20070520​	AY0058	PVG-HEL	[shanghai]
OH-LGG	MD11	AY	1936​	20070520​	AY0051	HEL-PEK	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGG	MD11	AY	1322​	20070521​	AY0000		[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGG	MD11	AY	531​	20070522​	AY0000		[Hong Kong]
OH-LGG	MD11	AY	1524​	20070522​	AY0068	HKG-HEL	[Helsinki, Finland]
OH-LGG	MD11	AY	1918​	20070522​	AY0095	HEL-BKK	[Helsinki, Finland]

 

[gotflyer]

While looking into some of the RJ flights I took:

1987-03-20 RJ0133 AMM LCA 1300 1430 B722 gotflyer
1989-03-30 RJ0134 LCA AMM 1440 1515 B72x gotflyer

I found the following page which discusses the 727s RJ operated over the years.

https://simpleflying.com/royal-jordanian-boeing-727-fleet-history

It seems that for the above flights there are three potential options:

JY-AFT - entered service in early 1980, was sold in 1988.
JY-AFU - entered service in January 1981, was sold in 1996.
JY-AFV - entered service in January of 1981, was sold "after 8 years"

Now this got me excited, as if the last point meant in January of 1989 then JY-AFU could have been the only option in March 1989. Alas, after some googling I found images of both JY-AFT and JY-AFV in RJ livery well into the 1990s. So it seems these two data points where incorrect.

The site claims to fetch its data from atdb.aero, unfortunately to see when a plane left an airline is only available under a professional license.

https://atdb.aero/php/go.php?query=...qstring=B.727-200+of+Royal+Jordanian+Airlines

However narrowing it down to potentially three is always something, does anyone have any resources which can eliminate any of the above regs?

 

[fakepcy]

Found 2014-11-04 WN1999 PUJ MDW 1809 2125 73G Adam Smith N464WN

2014-11-04 WN International Flights at MDW

1. WN216 MDW-CUN 07:00-11:00
2. WN2682 MDW-PUJ 09:00-15:35 (09:33-17:14)
3. WN1032 MDW-MBJ 09:40-14:40
4. WN217 CUN-MDW 11:50-15:35
5. WN1043 MBJ-MDW 15:30-18:45
6. WN1999 PUJ-MDW 16:25-19:35 (18:22-21:17)

ELIMINATED AIRCRAFT AT MDW

Departing after 21:17: N963WN
Departing on the morning of the 5th: N761RR, N907WN, N262WN, N235WN, N7815L, N786SW, N210WN, N214WN, N7704B, N370SW, N7705A, N634SW, N648SW, N296WN, N7749B, N631SW, N260WN, N7737E, N299WN, N961WN, N619SW, N284WN, N232WN


POSSIBLE AIRCRAFT:

N464WN
2014-11-03 WN659 BWI-MDW 07:12 ARR
2014-11-05 WN3135 MDW-LAX 06:28 DEP

N901WN (WN216/217)
2014-11-03 WN3306 HOU-MDW 22:45 ARR
2014-11-04 WN4857 MDW-SDF 17:30 DEP

N922WN (WN1032/1043)
2014-11-04 WN254 ROC-MDW 07:56 ARR
2014-11-04 WN3215 MDW-TPA 20:27 DEP


RECONSTRUCTION:

2014-11-03

WN659 BWI-MDW
Actual Arrival: 07:23
Tail Number: N464WN

*Sat idle or did international flights*

2014-11-04

WN2682 MDW-(BNA)-PUJ (diverted to BNA)
Actual Departure: 09:33 (takeoff)
Actual Arrival: 17:14 (touchdown)

WN1999 PUJ-MDW
Actual Departure: 18:22 (takeoff)
Actual Arrival: 21:17 (touchdown)


2014-11-05

WN3135 MDW-LAX
Actual Departure: 06:28
Tail Number: N464WN


There were only three international routes that day and I was able to assign the likely flights of the both two planes that weren't eliminated based on their domestic flights. I did trial-and-error with multiple aircraft at MDW across multiple days, so it should make sense. I contacted BNA about WN2682's diversion but they encouraged me to contact the airline instead . If anyone has contact with the relevant authorities to support my claim of N464WN being WN1999, it would be nice.

 

[SaschaX99]

While looking into some of the RJ flights I took:



I found the following page which discusses the 727s RJ operated over the years.

https://simpleflying.com/royal-jordanian-boeing-727-fleet-history

It seems that for the above flights there are three potential options:

JY-AFT - entered service in early 1980, was sold in 1988.
JY-AFU - entered service in January 1981, was sold in 1996.
JY-AFV - entered service in January of 1981, was sold "after 8 years"

Now this got me excited, as if the last point meant in January of 1989 then JY-AFU could have been the only option in March 1989. Alas, after some googling I found images of both JY-AFT and JY-AFV in RJ livery well into the 1990s. So it seems these two data points where incorrect.

The site claims to fetch its data from atdb.aero, unfortunately to see when a plane left an airline is only available under a professional license.

https://atdb.aero/php/go.php?query=airframes&where=ifnull(t.marketing,t.type_id)=33700265+and+a.rowseq=44012&orderby=1 desc,2,3,4,6,7,8&info=Subfleet:+B.727-200+of+Royal+Jordanian+Airlines&qstring=B.727-200+of+Royal+Jordanian+Airlines

However narrowing it down to potentially three is always something, does anyone have any resources which can eliminate any of the above regs?

Here the excerpts from rizjet about these aircrafts. Looks for me like a buy and lease back.

 

[Jan1991]

Hallo an alle

es hat etwas länger gedauert als geplant, aber endlich kann ich euch die sortierten Acars-Dateien zur Verfügung stellen.
Allerdings konnte ich die Daten nicht so sehr sortieren, wie ich es gern gehabt hätte. Deshalb gibt es nur die Felder Datum, Zeit, MsgID, Reg, ein Feld für Flugnummer, Callsign und Hex-Code, ein Feld für Route, Typ und alles was übrig geblieben ist und ein Feld für den Ort (sofern er unmittelbar zu ermitteln war).
Da es sich um etwas mehr als 13,7 Millionen Datensätze handelt, habe ich nicht manuell nachgearbeitet und auch nur grob geprüft. Es kann also sein, dass noch etwas Datenmüll in den Dateien enthalten ist. Vereinzelt fehlen der Typ und Teile von der Route. Gefühlt war jede Datei irgendwie anders aufgebaut und ich habe versucht alles auf einen gemeinsamen Nenner zu bringen. Schwierigkeiten gab es, Flugnummer, Callsign und Hex-Code zu unterscheiden. Da es ich zu vielen Fällen nicht funktioniert hat, stehen sie jetzt zusammen in einem Feld. Ähnlich ist es bei der Route und dem Typ. Am fiesesten waren die Dateien aus Malta, wo die Leerzeichen nicht Ascii 32 sondern 160 waren (das hat sehr viel Zeit gekostet). Die Dateien für die einzelnen Tage existieren nur, wenn Daten für diesen Tag vorliegen. Die ersten Lücken gibt es 2010. Ab 2013/14 werden die Daten weniger und die Lücken größer. Die letzte Datei ist aus dem Mai 2015.
Lange Rede, kurzer Sinn: Ein kurzer Blick in die Originaldateien kann nicht schaden, ansonsten hoffe ich, dass ich euch damit weiterhelfen kann.

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Viele Grüße
Jan

 

[SaschaX99]

Hallo an alle

es hat etwas länger gedauert als geplant, aber endlich kann ich euch die sortierten Acars-Dateien zur Verfügung stellen.
Allerdings konnte ich die Daten nicht so sehr sortieren, wie ich es gern gehabt hätte. Deshalb gibt es nur die Felder Datum, Zeit, MsgID, Reg, ein Feld für Flugnummer, Callsign und Hex-Code, ein Feld für Route, Typ und alles was übrig geblieben ist und ein Feld für den Ort (sofern er unmittelbar zu ermitteln war).
Da es sich um etwas mehr als 13,7 Millionen Datensätze handelt, habe ich nicht manuell nachgearbeitet und auch nur grob geprüft. Es kann also sein, dass noch etwas Datenmüll in den Dateien enthalten ist. Vereinzelt fehlen der Typ und Teile von der Route. Gefühlt war jede Datei irgendwie anders aufgebaut und ich habe versucht alles auf einen gemeinsamen Nenner zu bringen. Schwierigkeiten gab es, Flugnummer, Callsign und Hex-Code zu unterscheiden. Da es ich zu vielen Fällen nicht funktioniert hat, stehen sie jetzt zusammen in einem Feld. Ähnlich ist es bei der Route und dem Typ. Am fiesesten waren die Dateien aus Malta, wo die Leerzeichen nicht Ascii 32 sondern 160 waren (das hat sehr viel Zeit gekostet). Die Dateien für die einzelnen Tage existieren nur, wenn Daten für diesen Tag vorliegen. Die ersten Lücken gibt es 2010. Ab 2013/14 werden die Daten weniger und die Lücken größer. Die letzte Datei ist aus dem Mai 2015.
Lange Rede, kurzer Sinn: Ein kurzer Blick in die Originaldateien kann nicht schaden, ansonsten hoffe ich, dass ich euch damit weiterhelfen kann.

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Viele Grüße
Jan

Wow, vielen Dank für deinen Mühen. Ich werde heute abend, aber wahrscheinlich eher morgen, das Ganze ausgiebig ausprobieren.

Wenn du dich irgendwann davon erholt hast und lange Herbst- und Winternächte nutzen möchtest, es gibt noch ein paar andere Dateien.

 

[Saltagigi]

Ich habe mir mal die frühen Flüge von TXL genauer angeschaut, da die A320 am Morgen recht gut in den Logs abgedeckt sind.
Es gibt neben "meinem" AB8986 nur einen Flug, dem ich keine Reg zuordnen konnte, also suche ich jetzt zusätzlich:

2007-10-18 AB8358 TXL VIE 0615 0725 A320 Saltagigi

Falls, wie von mir erhofft (und erwartet, wenn ich keinen Fehler gemacht habe), dieses Flugzeug entweder D-ABDQ oder D-ABDM ist, muss das andere AB8986 geflogen sein.
D-ABDN habe ich mittlerweile relativ sicher ausschließen können, durch einen eklatanten Mangel an passenden A320-Abflügen von TXL mit unbekannter Reg zwischen ca. 10:30 und 12:00 Uhr.
Einzige theoretische Möglichkeit wäre TXL-PMI 11:10-13:50 (AB9162), der Flug wurde aber laut FlightStats mit B738 geflogen und passt auch zeitlich nicht ganz.

@Jan1991
Habe deswegen auch gerade schon mal in die Dateien gelugt und den neu gesuchten Flug leider nicht gefunden. Trotzdem auch von mir: Danke für die Mühe!

 

[gotflyer]

Here the excerpts from rizjet about these aircrafts. Looks for me like a buy and lease back.

agreed, thanks for confirming.

 

[gotflyer]

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Thank you, with this I solved:

2007-11-18 SK1462 CPH OSL 0825 0935 B737 gotflyer LN-TUF

Then we have a weird one. I couldn't find this one for this date:

2004-10-13 SK0430 CPH GOT 0845 0930 MD80 gotflyer

The weird part is if I look for SK0430 for all other days in October 2004 it shows up as CPH-ARN. I assumed I made a typo when I put it in. I went back and found my ticket receipt from SK, confirming SK0430 on October 13th, figuring perhaps the flight had changed between when I bought it and when I flew I went back and found the stub from my boarding card, again confirming SK0430. Does anyone have a valid timetable for October 2004? The ones I've managed to track down are either earlier (ends April) or later (starts November) and they differ markedly.

Lastly this one I feel is close as there are quite a few flights between the airports in here, but I can't quite figure out which the preceding flight up to GOT was from CPH. So again if someone has a timetable covering October 2004 I might be able to figure this out.

2004-10-06 SK0441 GOT CPH 1005 1050 MD87 gotflyer

 

[fakepcy]

Found 2018-08-25 AC7787 YYT YQX 2210 2258 BEH Adam Smith (op by 8K, EVS, Exploits Valley Air Services) C-GTMB

AC7794 YYR-YDF-YYT 17:25-20:58: https://www.flightera.net/en/flight_details/Air+Canada/AC7794/CYYR/2018-08-25
AC7787 YYT-YQX 22:10-22:58

I based it on the preceding 8K arrival at YYT, and it should make sense unless @Adam Smith mentioned a crucial detail in their routing that I may have missed. It would be nice to have his opinion to confirm this finding. But I'm guessing that the hourlong turnaround could be due to crew change since the aircraft involved could've been flying milk runs the whole day.




Found 2018-05-28 AC7756 YHZ YYG 1845 1938 BEH Adam Smith (op by 8K, EVS, Exploits Valley Air Services, siehe #5853) C-GLXV
Found 2018-05-28 AC7757 YYG YHZ 1950 2030 BEH Adam Smith (op by 8K, EVS, Exploits Valley Air Services, siehe #5853) C-GLXV

Is this some sort of milk run?

AC7765 YQM-YHZ 17:36-18:20: https://www.flightera.net/en/flight_details/Air+Canada/AC7765/CYQM/2018-05-28
AC7756 YHZ-YYG 18:45-19:38
AC7757 YYG-YHZ 19:50-20:30
AC7773 YHZ-YSJ 20:56-21:29: https://www.flightera.net/en/flight_details/Air+Canada/AC7773/CYHZ/2018-05-28


Found 2018-05-26 AC7782 YQX YYT 0520 0617 BEH Adam Smith (op by 8K, EVS, Exploits Valley Air Services, siehe #5853) C-GAAT

AC7807 YYR-YQX 20:05-22:13: https://www.flightera.net/en/flight_details/Air+Canada/AC7807/CYYR/2018-05-25
AC7782 YQX-YYT 05:20-06:17
AC7789 YYT-YDF 06:40-07:55
AC7788 YDF-YYT 08:07-08:51: https://www.flightera.net/en/flight_details/Air+Canada/AC7788/CYDF/2018-05-26


Found 2018-06-12 AC7752 YHZ YYG 1225 1303 BEH Adam Smith (op by 8K, EVS, Exploits Valley Air Services) C-GLHO
Found 2018-06-12 AC7753 YYG YHZ 1320 1359 BEH Adam Smith (op by 8K, EVS, Exploits Valley Air Services) C-GLHO

AC7751 YYG-YHZ 09:15-09:55: https://www.flightera.net/en/flight_details/Air+Canada/AC7751/CYYG/2018-06-12
*no departures at YHZ between 08:20 (AC7750) and 12:20 (AC7752)*
AC7752 YHZ-YYG 12:25-12:58
AC7753 YYG-YHZ 13:15-13:54
AC7760 YHZ-YQM 14:15-14:57
AC7763 YQM-YHZ 15:29-15:50: https://www.flightera.net/en/flight_details/Air+Canada/AC7763/CYQM/2018-06-12

 

[SaschaX99]

Thank you, with this I solved:

2007-11-18 SK1462 CPH OSL 0825 0935 B737 gotflyer LN-TUF

Then we have a weird one. I couldn't find this one for this date:

2004-10-13 SK0430 CPH GOT 0845 0930 MD80 gotflyer

The weird part is if I look for SK0430 for all other days in October 2004 it shows up as CPH-ARN. I assumed I made a typo when I put it in. I went back and found my ticket receipt from SK, confirming SK0430 on October 13th, figuring perhaps the flight had changed between when I bought it and when I flew I went back and found the stub from my boarding card, again confirming SK0430. Does anyone have a valid timetable for October 2004? The ones I've managed to track down are either earlier (ends April) or later (starts November) and they differ markedly.

Lastly this one I feel is close as there are quite a few flights between the airports in here, but I can't quite figure out which the preceding flight up to GOT was from CPH. So again if someone has a timetable covering October 2004 I might be able to figure this out.

2004-10-06 SK0441 GOT CPH 1005 1050 MD87 gotflyer

There could be several reasons that single flights were not tracked. One of them is that the files uploaded to the ACARS groups were only 64 KB in size, which is why flights with high flight numbers (VY1234) or high registration numbers (SE-ABC) were often not reported.

Regarding your timetable request please find some files attached hoping they will help you.

 

[fakepcy]

Found 2018-06-11 AC7782 YQX YYT 0530 0617 BEH Adam Smith C-GLXV

It's a pity that Flightera had no data for C-GLXV between June 10 and 16. However, we know that two flights, AC7807 (C-GAAT) and AC7787 (C-GLXV), arrived at YQX the previous night.

AC7807 YYR-YQX 19:50-22:13 https://www.flightera.net/en/flight_details/Air+Canada/AC7807/CYYR/2018-06-10
AC7782 YQX-YYT 05:30-06:17
AC7789 YYT-YDF 06:40-07:55
AC7788 YDF-YYT 08:10-09:19
AC7783 YYT-YQX 09:35-10:23
AC7784 YQX-YYT 10:45-11:33 cannot be C-GAAT

YQX departure time cannot be C-GAAT https://www.flightera.net/en/flight_details/Air+Canada/AC7803/CYQX/2018-06-11.

Most of them are simple out-and-back., YHZ-YYG-YHZ etc. So if we get one direction, we get the other. But YHZ, YQX, and YYT were sort of mini-hubs for EVS, so usually not possible to say that xxx-YHZ left as YHZ-yyy.

Following this logic, the aircraft should fly YYT-YQX-YYT, not YYT-YQX-YYR.

After discovering that 8K had other BEHs that were barely tracked on Flightera, I'm kinda reluctant to decipher the other missing flights because what if they were operated by untracked regs like C-FPUB?

 

[gotflyer]

Regarding your timetable request please find some files attached hoping they will help you.

Thank you. Looking at this, SK0433 came from GOT at 08:05, the plane model matches and likely turned around as SK0430 back to GOT. My recollection from flying this route over many years was that this was often the case. However given that CPH is a hub the aircraft could of course have gone on to service another route, but looking at the data it doesn't appear again until many hours later when it's flying CPH-LHR, enough time to do another round trip to GOT. So I will cautiously call this solved.

2004-10-13 SK0430 CPH GOT 0845 0930 MD80 gotflyer OY-KIL

However a question for Jan1991, is there a risk something got wonky when you worked on this data or is the source data wrong? Because it has SK0430 as CPH-ARN for all of October 2004 before it becomes correct for Novmber but looking at the timetable link above, SK0430 was always CPH-GOT

% grep SK0430 D_2004*
D_20041005.txt:20041005;0910;3470;LN-ROB;SK0430;MD-90-30 SK CPH-ARN;Copenhagen
D_20041005.txt:20041005;0910;3471;LN-ROB;SK0430;MD-90-30 SK CPH-ARN;Copenhagen
D_20041006.txt:20041006;0904;3484;OY-KIM;SK0430;MD-90-30 SK CPH-ARN;Copenhagen
D_20041007.txt:20041007;0856;3494;SE-DMH;SK0430;MD-90-30 SK CPH-ARN;Copenhagen
D_20041012.txt:20041012;0859;3602;LN-ROW;SK0430;MD-82 SK CPH-ARN;Copenhagen
D_20041019.txt:20041019;0903;3667;SE-DMG;SK0430;MD-90-30 SK CPH-ARN;Copenhagen
D_20041020.txt:20041020;0909;3677;OY-KIM;SK0430;MD-90-30 SK CPH-ARN;Copenhagen
D_20041022.txt:20041022;0906;3727;LN-ROX;SK0430;MD-82 SK CPH-ARN;Copenhagen
D_20041027.txt:20041027;0903;3770;SE-DMG;SK0430;MD-90-30 SK CPH-ARN;Copenhagen
D_20041028.txt:20041028;0921;3784;OY-KIL;SK0430;MD-90-30 SK CPH-ARN;Copenhagen
D_20041102.txt:20041102;1150;3872;OY-KCH;SK0430;Dash 8-402Q SK EKCH-ESGG;Copenhagen
D_20041108.txt:20041108;1201;3966;LN-RDM;SK0430;Dash 8-402Q SK EKCH-ESGG;Copenhagen
D_20041115.txt:20041115;1201;4065;LN-RDR;SK0430;Dash 8-402Q SK EKCH-ESGG;Copenhagen
D_20041117.txt:20041117;1136;4087;LN-RDG;SK0430;Dash 8-402Q SK EKCH-ESGG;Copenhagen
D_20041124.txt:20041124;1144;4178;LN-RDA;SK0430;Dash 8-402Q SK EKCH-ESGG;Copenhagen
D_20041220.txt:20041220;1205;4648;LN-RDM;SK0430;Dash 8-402Q SK EKCH-ESGG;Copenhagen
D_20041223.txt:20041223;1156;4841;LN-RDQ;SK0430;Dash 8-402Q SK EKCH-ESGG;Copenhagen

 

[bursche99]

However a question for Jan1991, is there a risk something got wonky when you worked on this data or is the source data wrong? Because it has SK0430 as CPH-ARN for all of October 2004 before it becomes correct for Novmber but looking at the timetable link above, SK0430 was always CPH-GOT

This is a general problem / risk when dealing with (legacy) ACARS logs.

When running ACARS receivers in the early days, all you got was the ACARS message with hexcode (air craft designator), call sign and / or flighnumber.
when running a log, you needed to have (local or remote) lookup files to map the call sign or flight number into a track, before writing your complete line into your log.
(mind we're in 2004 with no real time API lookups, etc.)
These local or remote lookups weren't always up to date or correct. Especially at times when flight number / tracks changed, its common to have wrong tracking in ACARS log files.

The typically only reliable data in ACARS logs is callsign / flightno, the hexcode if displayed and the date / time (+ location signature if applied by the user)

 

[gotflyer]

Missed one in my previous post, the following can also be considered solved, SK0430 which is the incoming CPH-GOT flight was in the data, and this one would have turned around as SK0441 back to CPH.

2004-10-06 SK0441 GOT CPH 1005 1050 MD87 gotflyer OY-KIM