Passagiermaschinen als Frachter unterwegs / Rentabilität ?

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Schöne neue Wortkreation:
"Prachter".

Und um in Zukunft die Abstandsregelung einzuhalten, reisen wir als Frassagiere jeder in einem eigenen Container... In der F auch mit FA.

 

[F4F]

Ryanair wird , falls die Mittelsitze frei bleiben müssen , sicherlich dann dort Fracht/Postsäcke transportieren.
Andere werden wieder Comibi einführen . ( Vorne Pax )

 

[BKKSteffen]

Die Combi Flugzeuge sind jetzt bzw. in der Übergangsphase zum "Normalbetrieb" sicherlich ein Bonus.
Aber es gibt ja nicht allzuviele davon.

Vielleicht wird ja auch die 747 Combi wieder aktiviert.

 

[F4F]

Die Combi Flugzeuge sind jetzt bzw. in der Übergangsphase zum "Normalbetrieb" sicherlich ein Bonus.
Aber es gibt ja nicht allzuviele davon.

Vielleicht wird ja auch die 747 Combi wieder aktiviert.

EVA hatte früher welche . Bin ich schon geflogen . C.a 250 Pax und Rest Fracht .

 

[BKKSteffen]

Bei KLM wurde ja erst vor kurzem die 747 Combi ausgemustert.

 

[born2fly]

EVA hatte früher welche . Bin ich schon geflogen . C.a 250 Pax und Rest Fracht .

LH auch, die ersten "T"s.

 

[BKKSteffen]

Jetzt geht auch die Deutsche Bahn in die Luft.

DB Schenker mietet 3 Boeing 767 von Icelandair und befördert damit Güter zwischen München und Shanghai.

 

[BAVARIA]

Der Text ist etwas irreführend.

Es müsste heißen "und befördert Güter von Shanghai nach München. "

 

[Skyeurope]

Solche Charter hat mittlerweile jeder größere Spediteur. Schenker sind nur die Einzigen, die auch ihr Logo auf eine der 767 geklebt haben.

 

[brummi]

Hatte Panalpina auch teilweise; mit ATLAS ex Huntsville

 

[kingair9]

Das stimmt für den "offiziellen" Passagierverkehr, aber ist das, wenn komplett ohne Passagiere geflogen wird und auch keine Sitze zum Verkauf standen, auch so? Dann müssten ja bei den touch-and-go Flügen bei denen neue Piloten üben ja auch 8 oder 10 FAs an Bord sein, sind sie aber nicht.

Richtig, nur wenn ein (oder mehrere) Passagier(e) an Bord ist/sind, muss auch Kabinencrew an Bord sein.
EU-OPS sagt dazu
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MOPSC maximum operational passenger seating configuration

Ich finde die eigentliche Quelle leider nicht mehr - es war ein LH Tweet oder Facebook posting, in dem mit Fotos gezeigt wird, dass die Hilfsfrachter mit Flugbegleitern geflogen werden müssen.

Wieder gefunden habe ich das hier - ja, tolle Quelle, aber wenn man sich etwas mehr Zeit nimmt, als ich gerade habe, dann findet man die LH Originalquellen sicher auch wieder:

In dem eigens erstellten Betriebshandbuch für diese Frachtflüge hat Lufthansa die Zahl der Flugbegleiter von zehn auf drei reduziert - ganz ohne Personal in der Kabine geht es aber aus Sicherheitsgründen nicht.

https://der-farang.com/de/pages/gur...ordert?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=facebook

So weit denn also dazu.... Es geht um Feuerkontrolle und Ladungssicherung.

 

[MANAL]

Bei 25:50 sieht man in dieser aktuellen Doku kurz einen der Passagierfrachter von LH und auch wie sie gerade Sitze ausbauen.

https://www.hr-fernsehen.de/sendung...t-fliegen-in-corona-zeiten,sendung-89884.html

 

[brummi]

Irgendwie kann ich das mit den FB nicht so ganz glauben: reine Frachter fliegen ohne und diese FLüge hier gelten ja wohl auch als Frachtflüge. Und der Kollege aus dem FCT hat sicher keine Qualifikation als FB?

 

[kingair9]

Irgendwie kann ich das mit den FB nicht so ganz glauben: reine Frachter fliegen ohne und diese FLüge hier gelten ja wohl auch als Frachtflüge. Und der Kollege aus dem FCT hat sicher keine Qualifikation als FB?

Du kannst das ruhig glauben, denn auch LH selbst hat das fleißig gepostet. Vollfrachter haben auf dem Hauptdeck entsprechende Vorrichtungen zur Ladungssicherung und -noch viel wichtiger!- Brandentdeckung und Bekämpfung. Das haben diese „Prachter“ nicht und daher muss regelmäßig kontrolliert werden.

Was passiert, wenn auf dem Main Deck Feuer ausbricht, kannst Du Dir am Beispiel „Helderberg“ ansehen.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Airways_Flight_295

 

[Biohazard]

Bei 25:50 sieht man in dieser aktuellen Doku kurz einen der Passagierfrachter von LH und auch wie sie gerade Sitze ausbauen.

https://www.hr-fernsehen.de/sendung...t-fliegen-in-corona-zeiten,sendung-89884.html

In der Doku wird auch erklärt, dass die C (und F?) eingebaut bleibt, damit dort das Personal sitzen kann. Das würde dann auch zu der Info passen, dass FB an Bord sind.

 

[brummi]

Vollfrachter haben auf dem Hauptdeck entsprechende Vorrichtungen zur Ladungssicherung und -noch viel ..........[/url]

Stimmt, hab ich nicht bedacht; allerdings ist die Fracht in den „Prachtern“ auch gesichert[emoji6]

 

[STRair]

Stimmt, hab ich nicht bedacht; allerdings ist die Fracht in den „Prachtern“ auch gesichert[emoji6]

Aber automatische Löschvorrichtungen, wie in den Laderäumen von Frachtern, sind in den "Prachtern" dennoch nicht eingebaut Daher dann auch die FAs

 

[brummi]

Hab ich das behauptet? Hab das Zitat zu früh abgeschritten.......

 

[SuperConnie]

Für A330, A340 und A350 bietet Airbus unter einem Service Bulletin eine vorübergehende Modifikation an, die auch die EASA-Genehmigung umfasst. Dabei werden i.d.R. die Economy-Sitze aus- und PKC-Paletten eingebaut. Bei Bedarf ginge das auch beim A380.

Along with the pilots the aircraft must carry trained fire monitors – typically three cabin crew – who must be seated away from the cargo and perform regular safety walks, carrying portable oxygen, to check for any sign of smoke or fire – including in the overhead bins. These monitors must also be able to tackle an outbreak with regular cabin equipment.

Ein 9g-Netz sichert die Ladung (Frachter haben eine 9g-Absicherung gegen die Kanzel, sowie Rauchschutz).

20 Betreiber haben die entsprechende Unterstützung seitens Airbus angefragt.

https://www.flightglobal.com/air-tr...gh-airbus-pallet-for-seat-swap/138161.article

 

[Ed Force One]

Falls ihr Interesse habt, dann schaut euch mal die revidierte EASA "TRANSPORT OF CARGO IN PASSENGER COMPARTMENT - EXEMPTIONS UNDER ARTICLE 71(1) OF REGULATION 2018/1139 (THE BASIC REGULATION)" an. Hab es nicht geprueft aber dieses Regulation sollte auf der EASA Homepage öffentlich zugaenglich sein.

Info daraus, die eure Fragen beantworten sollte:

The purpose of this document is to provide guidelines for national competent authorities (NCAs) to consider when granting exemptions under Art. 71(1) of Regulation (EU) 2018/1139 (hereinafter, the Basic Regulation) allowing the Transport of Cargo in Passenger Compartments, during the current COVID-19 outbreak. Only exemptions granted after the publication date of this document should take the updated guidelines into account.

Scope of exemptions
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The details as to what extent cargo can be carried in a passenger compartment without additional certification are also provided by the relevant EASA Special Condition on this subject, recognized by both Boeing MOM-MOM-20-0239-02B and Airbus FOT 999.0028/20. The carriage of cargo in the cabin beyond already approved stowage areas is neither covered by the approval of the aircraft nor by the approval of the seats. As already explained, the passenger cabin is not approved for cargo transportation. Moreover, to compensate for the non-compliance related to smoke detection or fire suppression means, limitations and/or procedures must be introduced. Therefore, an exemption is needed.

When applying Article 71(1) of the Basic Regulation (BR) to exempt operators from certain requirements of Regulation 748/2012 and Air OPS- Regulation 965/2012,1 the NCAs should specify the following:
a) The period of exemption: the period should refer to the duration of the COVID-19 outbreak in the Member State, but in any case should be less than 8 months.
b) The scope of exemption: as applicable.
c) The exempted provisions should be limited to:
o CAT.IDE.A.100 “Instrument and Equipment/General, if applicable
o CAT.OP.MPA.160 “Stowage of Baggage and Cargo”,
o Part 21.A.181 Duration and continued validity (of the airworthiness certificate)

The exemption should allow, on a temporary basis and as applicable or necessary, the transport of cargo and a limited number of crew members in the passenger cabin. Cargo items may be installed on seats, with adequate restraint systems/means, or, if seats are removed, directly attached onto the aircraft floor* using the available seat tracks.

Crew composition
a) Operations without passengers shall still the presence of crew members to survey and access all areas of the cabin during all phases of flight. Any fire that might occur must be timely detected and effectively fought utilizing the available existing emergency equipment.
b) Crew members in the cabin have to seat on seats which are not located near the cargo.

Procedures
a) A risk assessment shall be performed in order to identify hazards related to operating cargo flights using cabin configurations which have been approved for transporting only passengers.
b) Checks shall be made before take-off, before landing and whenever requested by the captain to ensure that cargo is properly stowed and secured.
c) Operators shall establish procedures to manage emergencies in the cabin.
d) Operators shall publish temporary revisions to the OM to include the new type of operations and the related procedures.

Loading, Mitigations (Focus areas for the competent authorities) for transport of cargo in passenger compartment including on passenger seats
a) Exact cargo weight and position in the cabin and in the cargo hold shall be reflected in the mass and balance documentation (load sheet).
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c) The operator shall load the aircraft considering the different levels of available fire protections of the loading areas (i.e. passenger cabin and lower deck cargo compartments).
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f) The mass of the cargo shall not exceed the structural loading limits of the aircraft. Compliance with CS 25.561, 25.787 and CS 25.789 is expected.
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k) The cargo shall be checked to ensure proper stowage in the following instances (at the minimum):
o Before take-off,
o Before landing,
o Under orders of the Pilot in Command (PIC).
l) The aisle(s) shall remain free of cargo to enable access to the seats and the goods in case of smoke or fire.
m) Any smoke/ fire within the cabin must be easily detected and effectively fought using the existing emergency equipment. Thoroughly briefed crew members (not part of the flight crew) shall be on-board to survey and access all areas of the cabin during all flight phases. There must be an adequate number of trained crew members acting as fire-fighter with sufficient amount of firefighting equipment. This equipment may be stowed in the cabin using existing stowage provisions (overhead bins, stowage’s) provided that the location is identifiable for the crew. Specific details must be coordinated with local regulatory authorities.
n) Crew members in the cabin should use existing cabin crew seats and must not share seat rows with cargo. There must be a clear separation of areas occupied by cabin occupants and those fitted with cargo during taxi, take-off and landing. At least one empty seat row between cargo and reserved occupant seats must be established.
o) ‘Under seat stowage’ is allowed only if the seat is equipped with a restraint bar system and the cargo items can be placed fully underneath the seat. The loading of the cargo under each seat should not exceed 9 kg (20 lbs).
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Transport of Dangerous Goods
Dangerous goods (DG) shall only be transported by Operators holding an approval (SPA.DG).
a) In the absence of passengers, the limits for the dangerous goods can be those established in the Technical Instructions for Cargo Aircraft, instead of Passenger Aircraft. The operator shall nevertheless include this aspect in the risk assessment performed.
b) Additional training/briefing shall be given to the crew, particularly letting them know whether the limits have been increased from those applicable to passengers to those applicable to cargo. This should, at least, include the following:
o the risks and consequences of increasing the amount of DG in the hold;
o any changes in the emergency procedures and the emergency equipment that may be on board.
c) Relevant information on dangerous goods (e.g. affecting emergency procedures) shall be included in the briefing given to other people occupying the aircraft.
d) Dangerous goods shall not be carried in the passenger cabin and always be carried in the hold and shall be transported under the conditions established by the Technical Instructions.
e) Nobody other than a crew member, an operator’s employee in an official capacity, an authorised representative of an appropriate national authority or an authorised person accompanying a consignment or other cargo may be present on board. Any other person will be considered a passenger and, therefore, the aircraft will no longer be able to use the provisions applicable to cargo aircraft as regards the transport of dangerous goods.

Transport of cargo in the passenger cabin under the provisioning of Article 71.1 of the Basic Regulation 2018/1139
In order to enable an early availability of a transport solution in the frame of the current COVID-19 situation, EASA supports the use of the provisioning of Article 71.1 of the Basic Regulation 2018/1139, also in case of on-going certification projects.
Further guidance can be found in Annex 1 of this guideline document.
The present guidelines and additional technical support to NCAs and operators, as required, should enable to address to an acceptable level on a temporary basis (i.e. up to 8 months) the airworthiness certification aspects for projects regarding transport of cargo in the passenger cabin of Large Aeroplanes.

Transport of cargo in the passenger cabin under a design change approval
In order to allow transport of cargo on a permanent basis, i.e. beyond the 8 months limitation set by Article 71.1 of the Basic Regulation 2018/1139, a design change approval must be pursued outside the scope of flexibility provisions ensuing from the Article.
Except for what allowed by paragraph 5.2.1 below, for transport of cargo restrained on seats as well as in case removal of seats are necessary to allow fixation of cargo onto the aircraft structure, a Major Change or STC application is required and will be processed by EASA with priority.

The type of cargo to be transported in the passenger cabin would need to be under control (no unidentified cargo) and assessed beforehand in the frame of the STC assessment process by the authorities certification team.
EASA will raise special conditions using as a reference:
 the guidance in Annex 1 of this guideline document.
 EASA CM-CS-003
 The published Special Conditions on Cargo Seat Bags installation

Transport of medical supplies restrained on passenger seats
In the context of the emergency situation created by the Covid-19 pandemic, Approved Design Organizations may reclassify as “Minor Change” and approve under their DOA-privileges, design changes allowing the transportation of medical supplies (e.g. masks, gloves, clothing, etc.) restrained on passenger seats, provided that they the transported medical supplies are not classified as dangerous goods. This has to be indicated in the approval documents and AFM Supplement.
The applicability of these design changes is to be restricted to non-exported airplanes. The DOA shall introduce this limitation in the design change approval sheet.
Since this kind of installation is a change in the scope of operation of the aeroplane, and in the absence of dedicated operational requirements covering this kind of operation, the installation and the procedures for operation have to be addressed taking into account the specific configuration of each aeroplane model affected.

Annex 1
Further guidance for transport of cargo in the passenger cabin under the provisioning of Article 71.1 of the Basic Regulation 2018/1139.

Cabin preparation:
 Passenger convenience systems (IFE, in-seat power, galley systems and any other heat generating systems) will have to be disabled or deactivated.
 Supplemental oxygen systems will have to be removed from the PSU channels, without leaving any opening, or should be deactivated.
 Portable oxygen cylinders and PBEs located in the stowage compartments in the cabin areas in which cargo is transported will have to be removed.
 Portable devices containing lithium batteries, including the emergency locator transmitters, will have to be removed from the cabin areas in which cargo is transported.

Cargo loading:
 It is not required to install a 9g barrier and a smoke barrier to protect the flight deck and cabin occupants. Cargo must be restrained so that each cargo installation meets 25.561 and other applicable structural requirements.
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When cargo is loaded on the floor, the height of the cargo shall not exceed 50 inches (approximately the height of a typical economy class seat). Limitations applicable to the mass, distribution and method of restraint of the cargo must be established based on guidance from the aircraft OEM as deemed necessary by the competent Aviation Authority; EASA support can be provided upon request.
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Cargo loaded on a seat must not exceed 50 lbs per seat place and must not extend above the seatback height. Potential restraint methods might include (see also appendix):
o Seat tracks (after removing the plastic row-to-row track cover), based on guidance from the aircraft OEM as deemed necessary by the competent Aviation Authority in coordination with EASA.
Attach netting over the seat and boxes. Secure the net to the seat track. Ensure that the net is moderately taut so as to maintain an aisle width for in-flight surveillance of smoke and fire.

Safety equipment:
Portable oxygen equipment must be provided for each crew member whose duties on board include fire detection and fire-fighting in the cabin. The equipment shall meet 25.1439 (b) and 25.1443(e) and must be carried by the cabin occupants during their inspections.
 Appropriate protective garments (e.g. fire gloves, etc.) shall be stored adjacent to the crew member's stations.
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The Limitations Section of the Airplane Flight Manual (AFM) must be revised as required to include the following:
 Minimum number of additional crew members in the cabin:
1. Minimum of two additional crew members whose duties are to detect and fight a fire, and relay information to the flight crew.
2. For twin aisle and other large long range airplanes, a minimum of 3 additional crewmembers will likely be needed. Additional crewmembers above 3 should be justified based on a risk assessment. The number of cabin occupants should be minimized to the number necessary to satisfy item 1.
 the additional crew members must be trained on:
o Fire-fighting procedure
o Use of the emergency equipment, including portable oxygen systems
o Operation of emergency exits and evacuation procedures
 The additional crew members must make a visual inspection of the cargo on a regular basis including prior to TT&L.
 When making the inspection required above, the additional crew members must carry portable oxygen equipment (see section Safety Equipment).
 Provisions must be available to allow the flight crew members to notify the crew members in the cabin in case of a decompression.
 Seats that must be occupied during TT&L and emergency scenarios such a turbulence or decompression (possibly ensuring visibility of cargo).
 A new cabin fire emergency procedure based on manual fire-fighting.

Annex 2 – Industry guidance

The following documents were sent by certain aircraft OEMs to provide guidance on how to transport cargo in the passenger cabin:
 Airbus SAS : FOT-999-0028-20-00)
 ATR: OIM2020/003
 The Boeing Company : MOM-MOM-20-0239
Guidance on how to restrain cargo on seats can be found in SAE ARP 4049 Cargo Restraint on Aircraft Passenger Seats – Main Passenger Cabin.

 

[Brainpool]

Die Postsäcke bekommen besseren Service als die armen Paxe....

 

[Dirkster]

Es war ja nur eine Frage der Zeit, bis Wendover Productions ein Video zu dem Thema macht:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r2oPk20OHBE

(Es geht allgemein um Luftfracht. Speziell auf Passagiermaschinen als Frachter wird ab Minute 6:04 eingegangen.)

 

[SuperConnie]

LH Technik arbeitet an einer vorübergehenden Umrüstung des A380.

https://www.flightglobal.com/air-tr...ter-role-with-lht-modification/138247.article

 

[savels]

Wenn die auch die A350 unter Beibehaltung der Premiumklassen zum Frachter umbauen, dann freu ich mich schon auf die ersten Beschwerden, wenn den ersten C-Insassen der Zutritt zum vorderen Toilettenbereich verwehrt wird ...

 

[born2fly]

Fracht motzt nicht. Fracht kotzt nicht.
Ergo wird Fracht auch die vordere Toilette nicht nutzen müssen...